Post by Blowfish on Aug 11, 2002 11:58:43 GMT -5
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The 'showpackets 1' also includes the size of server packets (snapshots)***. What you will see is the download ('client recv') is only affected by events occuring on the server, and upload ('client send') is affectly mainly by you on the client. Manically running around shooting I cannot manage to get my packet size at cl_maxpackets 60 above about 62-63 bytes, adding the 8 byte UDP overhead (which I assume this doesn't include), I get about 4kBps which compares well with the graph which I included in my first post. The size of the incoming snapshots is more interesting which I have seen increase a lot; especially in big fights on space levels where I have seen it at 400 or more. Given that you *should* get 20 of these a second, you could get ~8kBps download.
Okay, I've perhaps included more information there than I needed, but only to give a fuller picture. Why?, well what I have heard you say, and what you have said in your post, does not tie up with the upstream data rate being a problem. Besides, if this data was delayed or lost you'd still see the game going on around you. What you've described in 'I cant move it hangs and you die' makes me think that your download is being affected. If you can read the lagometer correctly, you should be able to tell whether this is the case or not. If you still believe that it is the upstream bandwidth, then a low cl_maxpackets should show an improvement, but I need to point out here again that the number of players on the server will NOT affect your upstream data rate. Everything you've talked about suggests higher latency/packet loss due to increased bandwidth usage, most likely on downstream.
Finally, you don't see the modemer at the bottom of the scoreboard complaining about his connection, telling everyone they're 'newbies' or 'lamers' and that they would own them on lan. Perhaps because they don't know which key is bound to 'messagemode' or perhaps just because they are enjoying the game. Play for fun, not one-up-manship, if not, don't play.
I won't, like you, finish on a flippant remark to trivialise my argument.
Steve
* Commands cannot afford to be lost, so are confirmed via the returning server snapshot. This includes a cmd counter which should match what is seen on the client. Use 'cg_drawsnapshot 1' to see it ticking along.
** or use 'cl_showsend 1' and watch the number outside of the brackets change.
*** You can also get written confirmation of dropped packets with 'showdrop 1'.
The 'showpackets 1' also includes the size of server packets (snapshots)***. What you will see is the download ('client recv') is only affected by events occuring on the server, and upload ('client send') is affectly mainly by you on the client. Manically running around shooting I cannot manage to get my packet size at cl_maxpackets 60 above about 62-63 bytes, adding the 8 byte UDP overhead (which I assume this doesn't include), I get about 4kBps which compares well with the graph which I included in my first post. The size of the incoming snapshots is more interesting which I have seen increase a lot; especially in big fights on space levels where I have seen it at 400 or more. Given that you *should* get 20 of these a second, you could get ~8kBps download.
Okay, I've perhaps included more information there than I needed, but only to give a fuller picture. Why?, well what I have heard you say, and what you have said in your post, does not tie up with the upstream data rate being a problem. Besides, if this data was delayed or lost you'd still see the game going on around you. What you've described in 'I cant move it hangs and you die' makes me think that your download is being affected. If you can read the lagometer correctly, you should be able to tell whether this is the case or not. If you still believe that it is the upstream bandwidth, then a low cl_maxpackets should show an improvement, but I need to point out here again that the number of players on the server will NOT affect your upstream data rate. Everything you've talked about suggests higher latency/packet loss due to increased bandwidth usage, most likely on downstream.
Finally, you don't see the modemer at the bottom of the scoreboard complaining about his connection, telling everyone they're 'newbies' or 'lamers' and that they would own them on lan. Perhaps because they don't know which key is bound to 'messagemode' or perhaps just because they are enjoying the game. Play for fun, not one-up-manship, if not, don't play.
I won't, like you, finish on a flippant remark to trivialise my argument.
Steve
* Commands cannot afford to be lost, so are confirmed via the returning server snapshot. This includes a cmd counter which should match what is seen on the client. Use 'cg_drawsnapshot 1' to see it ticking along.
** or use 'cl_showsend 1' and watch the number outside of the brackets change.
*** You can also get written confirmation of dropped packets with 'showdrop 1'.
in ur mind ur saying evrything you add A2I is like a finger tipping in the air cus you,dont seem to understand why results come as far from any dsl and T1 aswell (it shall be called skill onlym k?) ,not one top ten player in Dutch compo plays on cable like mine actually,as far as Ive seen, I dont think they will play a 1v1 on a cable like mine....cus what you cant do and they dont have to offer themselfs on a newbie connection but stay pro as they are professional enough not to do whats impossible to do.......Dude comparing any better connection with a lowbandwidth cable,connection doesnt seem to make my heart any warmer its just those who play on a connection like mine seem to understand so well to what Im saying and ofcourse those who are not do have the interpretation to what Im saying is nothing but rubbish,well guess again its good to protect yourself,not addressed to anyone but those who fit it,Im saying this 56k vs isdn is understandable well 16k lowbandwidth cable vs T1 is equal??? cus a server limits the speed? nice way to explain...nono I wasnt cpl-Bigscreen(the admin,referee) twicely to blow qualified players away in there warmup mode and see them type *who the hell is this well mr.Blowfish it was me but do understand I wasn't there to play so I told them to relax,(since I cant overly jump to play just from cable to lan,there was no practice understand this connection doesnt let me play very well so mr A2I doesnt intent to try) but do know 20players on dsl or fast cable (ping 20) from the biggcity were invited as qualified witch I know there was only two players like qualified,if22 won(simple playing vs his little brother final) well hese on a good way now to keep it that way the player deserved it I dont think 2nd and 3rd had to be mentioned.. But I know from myself if we (and my clan would be there from the start with the good inet connections dsl) It would be funny different,but whois interested in was or how it would be. T1 is better just dont forget whats not the same.
youre both good players you both win alot so whats the problem here..........stop it PLEACE..